Judicial Wars: Sacramento Superior Goes Unplugged

Seems Sacramento Superior Court is not messing around when it comes to the issue of the continued use of the AOC’s troubled CCMS software program. In this morning’s Daily Journal report Cheryl Miller details the argument that’s broken out between the AOC and Sacramento Superior.

The argument all comes down to this. Whether individual courts have the right to determine what’s right for their own courts.

From the Daily Journal article:

At a public event last month , Sacramento court leaders announced that they would disconnect their hardware from CCMS’ Arizona-based vendor server so they could coordinate fixes to the system locally. Courts in Los Angeles, San Diego and Orange counties already house their own servers.

After the announcement, a spokesman for the Administrative Office of the Courts said that while the branch preferred that all courts use the central server, Sacramento could choose to leave. But in a May 11 letter (.pdf) to White, executive and planning committee Chairman Richard Huffman, a justice on the Fourth District Court of Appeal, ordered the court not to spend any money on new computer equipment or staff for the system move. He also directed the AOC to work with the court on its concerns and report back to the Judicial Council.

“The council should have the opportunity to consider and respond to the court’s concerns before the Court takes action to effect any transfer,” Huffman wrote.

Huffman cited Rule of Court 10.11(a) in issuing the committee’s “direction.”

White said he and other Sacramento judges “do not agree that there is any rule of court that stands for that proposition.” State law is clear that local judges run local courts, he said.

“We don’t have an objection to CCMS,” White said. “What we want … is to simply be treated the same way as San Diego and Orange County and Los Angeles already have been, which is to host their own database,” he said. “I do not intend to have us singled out by the AOC.”

40 responses to “Judicial Wars: Sacramento Superior Goes Unplugged

  1. Ray O'Light

    Huffman, another bullshitter. Note the adoption date of the CRC he cites. He should retire.

    He is losing his grip, and anyone who is supporting his impaired legal judgment (which would easily be taken down in a trial court, by the way, by any attorney worth a nickel) is going to be in big trouble in little China. Start acting like a lawyer or you will end up meeting one in a conference room who is deposing you.

    Rule 10.11. Executive and Planning Committee

    (a) Actions on behalf of the Judicial Council

    The Executive and Planning Committee may take action on behalf of the council between council meetings, except for:

    (1)Adopting rules of court, standards of judicial administration, and forms;

    (2)Making appointments that by statute must be made by the council; and

    (3)Taking actions that are delegated to other council internal committees.

    (Subd (a) adopted effective August 14, 2009.)

  2. How is the directive of the E&P consistent with Government Code Section 77001, which reads in relevant part as follows:

    The Judicial Council shall adopt rules which establish a
    decentralized system of trial court management. These rules shall
    (a) Local authority and responsibility of trial courts to manage
    day-to-day operations.
    (b) Countywide administration of the trial courts.
    (c) The authority and responsibility of trial courts to manage all
    of the following, consistent with statute, rules of court, and
    standards of judicial administration:
    (1) Annual allocation of funding, including policies and
    procedures about moving funding between functions or line items or
    (2) Local personnel plans, including the promulgation of personnel
    (3) Processes and procedures to improve court operations and
    responsiveness to the public.

  3. Wendy Darling

    Ray O’Light and WBF:

    As every employee at the AOC knows, in the mind of the current of the Chief Justice and the failed executive leadership of the Judicial Council and the AOC Executive Office rules and laws only apply to others, mostly as a tool to punish and control them, but do not apply to themselves. The Chief Justice, the Judicial Council, and the AOC love to trot out and cite whatever law or rule or policy they can latch on to in order to try and legitimize their conduct and force their actions on others, including the courts, but as far as having to abide by laws or rules or policies themselves they firmly believe, and their actions are consistent with, that they are above the law and above accountability. And so far they have been successful in that, because despite everything that has happened and come out in the last year, no one has actually stopped them and they continue to do it and get away with it.

    • JusticeCalifornia

      Well said, Wendy.

      See: http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/reference/documents/tcfund.pdf

      And then, from Wikipedia, the definition of “dictator”:

      “In modern usage, the term “dictator” is generally used to describe a leader who holds and/or abuses an extraordinary amount of personal power, especially the power to make laws without effective restraint by a legislative assembly. Dictatorships are often characterized by some of the following traits: suspension of elections and of civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents without abiding by rule of law procedures; these include single-party state, and cult of personality.”

      So when you have a $4 billion budget, and enjoy absolute, unfettered financial and political power over “the largest judiciary in the Western world”, who needs the law?

      Perhaps that is why Dictator Ron, during his tenure, has made sure that no meaningful third-branch accountability measures have been put in place, ever, no way, no how — although multiple highly respected, nationwide entities and experts (including those reporting to the CA Judicial Council) have repeatedly recommended them.

      As a result, there has been absolutely no meaningful oversight of the third branch (local or otherwise) since the financial and political power over same was consolidated. None, nada, zip, zilch.

      The good news is that certain of us (at sometimes horrific personal and professional expense, I might add) are doing what we can to document this.

      And personally, I have come to believe that the most important things that those with personal knowledge regarding third branch judicial and/or administrative corruption can do are a) document, document, document, the corruption; and b) to the extent we can, anonymously or not (knowing from experience that this personal decision is difficult, and different for everyone), LOUDLY report third branch lawbreaking activity to everyone in power, in all three branches of government, so no one can say they didn’t know.

  4. You know, as I kick back in the evening over a glass of wine and read over these comments, I am amazed at how so much focus is on the people involved in CCMS and how much people want to attack them. The basic problem here is technology. The people aren’t necessarily evil, just uninformed.

    As far as the technology goes, this could all be fixed in a few months with spectacular results for a minimal amount of money. But no one wants to put any effort into doing that. Why all the anger at people? Why all the animosity? Wouldn’t it be better to just get in there and fix things?

    Just my observations.

  5. Wendy Darling

    At least the County of Marin cut their losses at $29 million and didn’t just keep amending their contract 96 times while hearing that big flushing noise in the background and sticking their head in the sand.

    • Obi-Wan Kenobi

      If CCMS costs were to cost 5 billion dollars the AOC would not bat an eyelash because that would be admitting that they were either wrong or misguided.

      Luckily for Deloitte and unfortunately for the taxpayers, the AOC can neither admit they were either wrong or misguided because they are infallible and are never, ever wrong. So if you think Deloitte was milking the AOC’s project before, wait until you see what happens as a result of the AOC not questioning Deloittes obscene costs.

      • Actually Obi-Wan, it could conceivably wind up costing $5 Billion. That is because the problems go back to thousands or maybe tens of thousands of coding errors. And finding and fixing them is beyond human capabilities. Of course it doesn’t even make sense to try because the software is already outdated, does not work compatibly with current software, and is internally incompatible. But it appears that those in charge will keep trying on the taxpayer dollar for as long as the money is provided. Thus, this will keep going until either the money is finally cut off, perhaps at the Legislature level, or someone new comes along in charge and stops it. If they then give me a phone call and ask for help, I’ll have modern software up and running statewide within a few months. Then everyone can go back and point fingers at the people who are no longer working for the government.

        The only alternative I see that would stop the problems now is for those in charge to figure out how to put the blame elsewhere so they can adopt modern technology and get this over with. Personally I think most of the blame goes back to Deloitte because I am aware of their failures in places like Colorado and Texas as well as other failures in California that most of you never even mention.

  6. Sounds just like what Deloitte did for the LA School system and their payroll program…not to mention CCMS! boy these guys really have a racket going! Deloitte should be banned from obtaining public sector contracts. It is frickin amazing! In my next life I am working in the private sector.

  7. PS I just have to say Computer Geek, we are way past just uniformed with the CJ and AOC admin. These folks are evil. Belive it or not, evil does exist and not just in comic books. Don’t forget: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Lawdy, I miss being a cockeyed opptimist.

    And J Huffman, well you all know my feelings about this old windbag BUT not only should he retire he should seek mental health treatment, the dawg is like, totally deluded!

    • Evil exists but sometimes it is difficult to distinguish it from simple ignorance.

      • Obi-Wan Kenobi

        This is what they are relying on to provide adequate cover for their behavior. Ignorance only goes so far and then it turns into Negligence. Negligence is what the taxpayer is currently straddled with today. Everyone knows, no one responsible is willing to say a thing about it.

      • Judge_Dredd

        You all need to get a grip. “Evil?” Really? Rapists are evil. Child molesters are evil. The 9/111 masterminds are evil. It makes you sound childish to call any sort of dispute over the funding of a branch of government “evil.” If disgareements over Judicial Branch funding and governance are the most “evil” things you ever encounter in your lives, you should thank whatever deity you pray to. Back to lurking; sorry to feed the trolls, but that comment was just too much…

      • Obi-Wan Kenobi

        Special or conflicts of interests are evil. Sole sourcing contracts as opposed to ensuring that competition drives the price down is evil. Being unable to admit ones’ mistakes is evil when it affects others (and in this case it potentially affects 37.5 million others) and lastly, it is evil to continue to perpetuate a fraud under the guise of competent project management.

        Government agencies across the country have been lining up to file suit against deloitte or already have due to sheer incompetence, alleging negligence, fraud and an inability to deliver the promised vaporware.

        For the AOC to ignore all of these lawsuits across the country and represent to the balance of the judicial branch and the public at large that this project is going off without a hitch and will be timely delivered with the full specified functionality is a fraud being perpetuated by government employees. Fraud is evil.

      • Wendy Darling

        Hypocrisy and lying are also evil, and so is prostituting your public office for money, especially if you’re the Chief Justice of the State Supreme Court.

  8. I think we have gotten to the embarrassment stage and that is getting in the way of a good solution. That’s a shame because a good system for handling court case data could be developed quickly and inexpensively. And it would work like a Swiss watch, just like all the other software I have created does. The basic problem in the CCMS mess goes back to Deloitte which has failures all over the country. How they have continued to get these contracts is beyond me. Now we have the human problem of administrators and politicians who don’t want to admit they hired Deloitte when they shouldn’t have. The technology fix might be simple but we aren’t going there yet because everyone is hung up on fault, guilt, blame, etc.

    I look at the situation as one where we should fix the technology/money problems first and let people argue about it later. While the patient is bleeding to death do you really want to ignore that and focus on fault? Or sit back and hope there’s enough blood to last until the facilitators get to the end of their terms in office?

    I have no idea what the Marin County situation is really all about because in these computer projects the vulture vendors and others involved tend to use $10,000 type words to describe simple things. It sounds like basic payroll, pension accounting, and basic data on employees. My offers of help with creating software to handle superior court data have fallen on deaf ears so why would it be any different in Marin County? And I don’t have any real personal interest in their problems but I am very concerned about anything that might cause our court system to implode. That’s why I offered to help replace CCMS with something that just plain works.

    That being said, if you, JusticeCalifornia, arrange to have Marin County people talk to me, I’d be willing to look at the situation and see if it’s complicated or just another simple situation like court case data that has been made to sound complicated. If they call me, I’ll talk to them. If they are willing to show me the details of the technology, I’d be willing to look and give them my evaluation. But I’m not going to spend any time trying to call them.

    • Obi-Wan Kenobi

      When everyone can see the doctor is letting the patient bleed to death you have to fire the doctor and get a new doctor in there so that the bleeding can stop.

      Utilizing your own analogy, you have to fire the doctor and get a new one in there to stop the bleeding. What we currently have is a doctor who believes the patients blood supply is endless. And you are correct ComputerGeek, they could very well be at 5 billion in a few years and we know by other deployments (other than Sacramento) that the stated goal of one integrated statewide system has been tossed under the bus in favor of getting the flawed code deployed at any cost and re-classifying all bugs as feature enhancements and that the trial courts will be responsible for picking up the tab for these enhancements as a way to backdraft fund the CCMS project.

      • Obi-Wan, I think you’ve got it! That’s how doomed projects are done. An unfixable bug is a feature. I’ve seen that ploy a lot of times.

        And the funny thing about that “statewide system” feature is that I could create that easily. But not the way they’re going about it. And, interestingly, I have drawn several arguments from people who are in IT and argue that what I suggested to them isn’t possible. So I challenged them to arrange to get a county willing to participate in a demonstration. Then they default. I’ve been there before, done that. Some got particularly quiet when they saw software I had written. Ask any of these so-called “experts” to find a bug in software I wrote recently that has numerous advanced features powered by over a million lines of code. Give ’em a week or so. Then ask them again if they really want to challenge my suggested solution.

        Obi-Wan, the possibility of endless funding is very real. The CCMS software will never be worth anything, no matter how much money and time is expended on it, for a variety of reasons. Here are some:

        1) Coding errors – The Sacramento 4/6 briefing noted thousands of “defects” as they called them. That indicates to me probably tens of thousands of coding errors. An army of Einsteins couldn’t find all of them now.
        2) Obsoleteness – Software needs to be designed and deployed VERY fast or it’s obsolete before it’s done. I have a daughter who works in the electronic games industry. Slowness there is company death. Look at the microchip industry too. A justice system data management system needs to be designed and deployed statewide in a couple of months or it’s going to risk being behind the state of the art. And that can be done. I’ve done more complex software in about a week. And it needs to be updated every two or three years at a minimum. CCMS was obsolete years ago.
        3) Low usability – The architecture of CCMS software components themselves is ancient. It is not user-friendly. It does not take into account how humans function. It slows people down instead of speeding them up. I am acutely aware of this issue when I design software.
        4) Incompatibilities – This relates to the obsolete problem. Components are incompatible with each other. They are also incompatible with modern desktop productivity software, such as Judge McMaster in Sacramento noted.

        None of these problems can be solved with the CCMS software. Each requires starting over.

  9. Dear Everyone,
    Want to put an end to our court system budget being drained by CCMS?

    Then find a county court that is willing to cooperate in a demonstration. Have them call me. I keep hearing about all these counties that have paper and/or are teetering on the edge of disaster with their legacy systems but can’t find one. If such a county calls, I will do the demonstration with them.

    In the meantime, back to work.

  10. ComputerGeek…

    I’ve read all your posts and the stuff on your website. So, let me get this straight: you can build a system using only Word and Excel that:
    a). Can support 1000’s of users on a single database?
    b). Take in 9.5 million new cases every year?
    c). Has efiling?
    d). Has electronic case file documents?

    But you don’t have such a system today, right?

    • 007

      I agree with you. While I think Computer Geek certainly is qualified to point out the technology-related problems with CCMS, I am not sure it is quite as easy as he suggests to design, develop and implement a CMS. I would like to be proven wrong, but if it were as easy as he says it is, there is no way all of the “off the shelf” vendors could compete with him.

      In his defense however, by asking him to meet the requirements you set forth, aren’t you asking for functionality that CCMS has been unable to provide, at least as of this date?

      • Good point, WBF. Deloitte has not provided a statewide system. But interestingly, it can be done. Those in charge have simply made some erroneous basic assumptions and their minds are locked into those assumptions. I have encountered this problem before and saw it in a friend who has an IQ pushing 160 who gruddgingly acknowledged after the fact that my solution to a software creation problem worked. My wife saw the flabbergasted, astonished look on the face of another person who works in IT daily and was sure about something and was positive I was off track in my development of some software. She got quite a kick out of it. He couldn’t believe my solution worked. He became dead quiet as he watched someone horse around data after only a few minutes of training on the software involved. It was a Kodak moment, I guess.

        As for the ease of creating electronic case documents and managing them electronically, it’s all or nothing. Either you know how to do it or you don’t. There is no in-between.

        As for vendor competition, look at what I created for bowling data management. I keep getting calls from people complaining about software written by others. But they don’t complain about my software.

        For each of you who doesn’t understand about the problem of erroneous fundamental assumptions that I am pointing out, I commend to your reading the book “What Intelligence Tests Miss.” By Professor Stanovich, University of Toronto. (2009) Yale University Press.

      • And WBF, as a P.S. on the competition issue, bear in mind that I haven’t been permitted to compete as to creation of court data management software. Remove the blocking of competition and watch what happens. How do you race against someone who refuses to race?

  11. No, yes, yes, and yes.

    The first is not necessary. It doesn’t even make sense. It is one of the fundamentally flawed assumptions in the CCMS approach. Think I must be wrong? Find me a county or two for a demonstration and then sit back and watch. After you see it work, then I’ll have your attention. Then I will explain it.

    One of the problems that can arise with people applying deductive logic (which many IT people apply and the AOC has hopped onto and applied as a chorus) is that they overlook the requirement that their basic assumptions or postulates must first be correct. If the basic assumption is incorrect, all logic flowing from it is quite possibly erroneous.

    And I actually created a tentative prototype for part of a modern system, and it’s sitting right here on this computer, but I would need more input from intended end-users before creating a final working model or version intended for actual use. I haven’t been able to get any cooperation.

  12. For those who haven’t read it yet, here’s the Courthouse News story on White v. Huffman. http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/05/18/27382.htm

  13. Judge Dredd, actually I do have a life. A very nice one as a matter of fact. And I have met a lot of truly evil people in my court career. Murders, rapists, child molesters, people that torture animals, savings and loan Directors that sold out elderly folks and their life savings to make themselves a buck, etc. But as mentioned above by Obi and others, evil comes in many forms.

    • Judge_Dredd

      I envy you all so much. I have dealt with true “evil.” You all seem like mewling, whining children with respect to what you’re complaining about. I have nothing but disdain for all of you, and I will pray tonight that you never endure what I and my family have endured. If you had, I think you wouldn’t be so quick to drop the word “evil” with respect to these relatively minor issues that you’re complaining about. I really, truly hope that you never actually confront true “evil.” I don’t think you could handle it.

      But please know that you’re coming across as fairly ridiculous “whiners” to a large number of us who lurk regularly on this site. You might want to consider toning it down a bit on the histrionics if you’re really hoping to build consensus here.

      • Ray O'Light

        If you were in the trenches in the courts or at the AOC, you would know that people are getting increasingly and rightfully angry. Injustice and failure to follow both California and federal law is not trivial.

        Only overpaid people who are walled into up to their ears think that normal complaints are somehow inappropriate. If you want to pray, go ahead. If you are unhappy and wasting California judicial branch resources, please resign.

      • JusticeCalifornia

        Judge Dredd

        Please do not be personally offended by this discussion. Dealing with the concept of evil may be a personal or philosophical debate, sort of like “beauty is in the eye of the beholder”, and the comments on this website are consistent with those made worldwide. To wit:

        From Wikipedia, on “evil”:

        “Today, many philosophers limit evil to acts that intentionally cause harm.”

        “Socrates (in Plato’s early work) argued that which we call evil is merely ignorance.”

        Some of us have watched innocent, abused and/or neglected children be suddenly stripped of protective parents (mothers and fathers), by corrupt (ignorant?) judges, on a relatively routine basis, in a most irresponsible, brutal and/or sometimes even sadistic fashion.

        Some of us have watched laws enacted for the protection of the public and the third branch being ignored, perverted, and prostituted –by top members of the judicial branch.

        Some of us have watched a massive coverup of third branch misconduct– at all levels.

        And, I suspect that EVERYONE reading this blog who hasn’t watched these things up front and personal, knows some who has, or has heard or read about someone who has.

        Judge Dredd, if you have a story worse than these, don’t lurk (which has many meanings, check it out), and do share. You must be lurking on this site for a reason, and that reason must necessarily be that you are unhappy with or worried about the way things are –whether you admit it or not.

        Speak up.

        And I ask anyone to tell me, what is worse than having a corrupt “justice ” system ? Especially one that is the largest in the western world, in what is arguably the most powerful country in the world?

  14. Wasn’t the Chief Justice supposed to appoint judges to an AOC oversight committee last month? Anyone know if this occurred?

  15. JusticeCalifornia

    Computer Geek, you said:

    “That being said, if you, JusticeCalifornia, arrange to have Marin County people talk to me, I’d be willing to look at the situation and see if it’s complicated or just another simple situation like court case data that has been made to sound complicated. If they call me, I’ll talk to them. If they are willing to show me the details of the technology, I’d be willing to look and give them my evaluation. But I’m not going to spend any time trying to call them.”

    If I may say so, from what I know, you may be going about this all wrong. You cannot assume that anyone reads this website, or any news reports about CCMS. And you also cannot assume that by being nice and logical with the powers that be, they will shape up and listen to reason. (LOL).

    No, no. If you are certain that what you say is true, you must approach this professionally, and document what you believe to be the official blocking of competition.

    I am not an IT expert, or a sales person, but I think I am sometimes pretty good at documenting what some might call corrupt and irresponsible third-branch behavior. So I imagine the following hypothetical scenario:

    1. Identify those who are suffering from Deloitte computer issues. The AOC and Marin County are a good and easy start. (Marin should be real easy).

    2. Write to those in power — we know the CJ and Ming Chin are the top two third branch representatives supporting CCMS, and we know the Marin Board of Supes is quite upset– and present a project letter. Offer to meet and show them what you and your software can do. Offer to tell them everything Deloitte has done wrong (perhaps for an hourly fee?) What the heck. . .it’s like getting a second medical or legal opinion, right?

    3. Put your communications with the powers that be in writing.

    3. Wait and see what happens.

    4. Report back, on this blog that no one supposedly reads.

    Just a thought.


    • JusticeCalifornia, I think you’re looking at this from an entirely different standpoint than I am. I’m not trying to make some case against anyone, including Deloitte. I would simply like to help. I’m watching the court system spend a lot money unnecessarily while closing courtrooms. The court system needs some good technological help because they’re getting bad advice now on the technology. I know how to do the technology so I could help. And I did make some offers to help already. If those in charge of the purse strings want to keep going in the direction they’re going now, there’s not much I can do about that. And I’m not going to lead some big demonstration to try to stop it. Sooner or later, the realization will come about that the CCMS software can’t be made to work right. Maybe at that time I will be allowed to help. I have no personal animosity toward anyone involved in CCMS. If Ron George called me right now and asked for help, I would give it to him.

      • JusticeCalifornia

        Computer Geek, I am just trying to get my facts straight, so forgive me. You have invited people to call you.

        But have you actually, formally and professionally, approached anyone in the AOC, offering to meet with them and show them a) what you can do and/or b) what they are doing wrong with CCMS?

        If not, I don’t think you can complain they won’t listen to you.

        If so, and you can really do what you say, I don’t think you can excuse continuing mismanagement and expenditures of hundreds of millions of dollars on a failed system as “ignorance” or good-faith reliance on bad advice.

        I don’t think the AOC or a county is going to just call you up. I think, in fairness (and I don’t often defend the AOC !) , if you want the business, you have to make an appointment and a formal business presentation.

        So my question, I guess, is have you ever done that, or tried to do that? And why wouldn’t you do that, say, with Marin, which appears to be a county in need?

        I see you don’t want to get caught up in politics but this is not a political question.

      • JusticeCalifornia-

        But in order to do that, wouldn’t the AOC, or any court (e.g. Marin) have to be looking to procure such a solution and ask for bids etc.? Nobody is going to be able to take ComputerGeek up on his offer without the whole competitive bid thing.

  16. Judge Dredd I am sorry for your personal issues with evil. But how dare you to assume none of us have been there as well? Oh my goodness man if you only knew what I have been through with in my childhood. My husbands life as a child, you would truly know what evil is. The difference is that we have seperated our personal evils from our professional ones. And perhaps that dealing this personally holds us to a higher standard in our professional life. Judge Dredd I wish you well in dealing with your personal evil/demons. I know it is so hard.

  17. JusticeCalifornia and others on this blog:
    I realize others may disagree with me, but I have never been under the impression that the CCMS problem came about because anyone involved is evil or some sort of malfeasor. I believe the problem has arisen from lack of knowledge about technology. My prior knowledge about CJ George is that he is as straight and honest as they come. He’s just out of his element and turned to the wrong people for advice.

    By way of example, if you had an engineering problem facing you, who would you turn to? If you turned to a friend or business acquaintance who happened to be an engineer, would you get on the right track? Maybe. What if that friend is the wrong kind of engineer. Or what if he doesn’t know anything at all about the subject on which you are asking for help. Does he acknowledge that and refer you to the right kind of engineer? What if he doesn’t and instead decides to give you a bunch of advice on a subject about which he knows virtually nothing. And you think it’s good advice because your friend is “an engineer.” Eventually you figure out you got a bum steer.

    That, I believe, is the CCMS situation.

  18. JusticeCalifornia, to answer your questions, yes I have approached the AOC folks and others in the judicial branch and offered to help. I have done so in writing, by phone, and in person.

    And you are correct that I’m not interested in getting caught up in the politics.

    And 007, note carefully that the “bid” and “RFP” processes have been major contributing factors to such monumental failures as CCMS, CBMS, TIES, TIERS, CalWIN, CMIPS, SACSS, etc., etc. The bid/RFP process is inherently unsuitable for IT projects. It requires those preparing the RFPs to have software writing knowledge at my level and that is almost never going to be the case. All of these projects were doomed before any code was ever written. The answer is plain-English communication between intended end-users and the programmer, followed by hands-on test drives of prototypes before any money changes hands.

    As for Marin County, I see that there is a Deloitte Consulting connection in common with CCMS but my interest is not in sticking Deloitte with needles but rather my desire is to help the court system. I know who you are and realize why you have a tremendous passion for fixing things in Marin County but I would only help there if requested by them to do so.

    I know some people have a different view of the management of CCMS and what has happened with that than I have, and I can respect those views, but I have seen comparable situations in other IT contexts. In those other contexts the problems stemmed from simple lack of knowledge by those in charge, and those people taking advice from persons they thought were knowledgeable about writing modern software but who in fact were not. I can think back over several such situations and don’t recall thinking anyone involved was being evil. And I didn’t evaluate any of those leaders as actually having mismanaged things particularly. To me, “mismanaging” connotes a certain level of knowledge that something is being done wrong and then continuing with the same actions. Although IMHO certain people should have caught on by now that CCMS is doomed, that may or may not have happened. I think a number of people have gotten the picture and are now in a quandary over what to do about it.

    Now we go through the human psychology side of this with decision makers teetering on the edge of calling a halt to CCMS. All it will take is one county court deciding to explore what could be done, and the nightmare is over.

  19. At this point, I think it’s time to give this all a rest for a while. It’s going to take a long time for people supporting CCMS to pull back from their positions. So unless someone calls me and asks for help, see you in a year or so.

    Bye now.

  20. TooBigToFail

    Did anyone see the local Channel 7 (ABC) 6:00 pm news on Wednesday, June 9 where a reporter had a feature on the problems with CCMS at Sacramento SC? The drum beat continues…